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Ah right, there aren't any places to send people anymore. Again, I didn't think my cunning plan all the way through.

That article doesn't support your thesis. Mind clarifying?

The victim doesn't have say in the criminal law process.

Still, polanski raped a girl, and should pay for it. The judge did a political move trying to score points not treating polanski like any other john - but now is a more enlightened time. We actually put out rapists in jail more often.

He needs to actually make restitution to the community, no matter how good of an artist he is. We frown upon raping people, and that's what he should get his new trial about. Once we get to sentencing again we can talk about what other deeds or misdeeds have happened in the mean time.

-Crissa

The problem is her children have become victims of this since they were spared when he went into exile. Recently CNN and other places had her protesting and going to court in his place to prevent the news from going all out about it so that she and her family got harassed about it while she has spent 30 years trying to put it behind her.

I would say the victim should have say in something like this, because the state should pay for ANY damages done to her by bringing her back into public view on a grand scale and having to go through it all over again, when she tried to get them to let it go.

So any pain and suffering are on the courts to pay her for, and I hope she nails their asses to the wall.

He missed 40 some days in psyche evaluation, and this is how the victim gets rewarded for all those years of therapy by having it brought all back around 3 lifetimes later for her?

This isn't Japan. Doing embarrassing things to victims should not allow the perpetrator to avoid trial. However, the news people do act disgracefully in that instance and should be hit with a restraining order.

-Username17

FrankTrollman wrote:This isn't Japan. Doing embarrassing things to victims should not allow the perpetrator to avoid trial. However, the news people do act disgracefully in that instance and should be hit with a restraining order.

-Username17

Frank the news didn't approach her. They just broadcast a recent picture of her, gave her personal details about her family status, etc.

All because the publicity stunt of arresting him when he was going to a film festival for an award.

The governments KNEW damn well it would gain media attention fast, and yet did nothing to sequester her info or picture to protect her.

So the media should bite the bullet, but the government, supposedly educated people; should have seen this coming and should shoulder part of the responsibility themselves.

The news did go out day one with her info, but the government should have been a bit more ready for it.

I am not defending Polanski, but her. She begged the courts to drop it and let it be over to save herself, and they denied her. Now the government is raping her of the dignity she worked hard to obtain after the events of the 70's for herself and her family.

Who gets charged with that rape? Anybody?

I would hope you would agree that the government, not only the media, has some responsibility over any recurring trauma caused to her.

Thanks for being someone who read and understood the point of the post rather than just saying Polanski deserves jail time. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that.

If the victim had say, then all the accused would have to do is harass them until they wouldn't keep charges.

So that's just terribly stupid, shad.

-Crissa

Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:What about exile as a punishment? If someone doesn't want to behave themselves in the way society dictates, just kick the bums out? I'm assuming there are problems with that I'm not seeing or else it'd be done.

Thats pretty much what prison is except we don't have to find someone stupid enough to take our murderers.

Crissa wrote:If the victim had say, then all the accused would have to do is harass them until they wouldn't keep charges.

So that's just terribly stupid, shad.

-Crissa

He was in self-imposed exile, and she went to the court to try to get it dropped for the past decade so she could be done with it. I don't think there was much of a problem, because setting foot into the country would have triggered his arrest.

Also recall the recent case of statutory rape that the victim became his wife, and the man couldn't attend his own child's school events and such. Well she got the charges removed so he could share in his child's life. Seems the victim CAN have a say in some countries.

I just wish I remembered where that article was.

You don't think this women has been through enough in the past 30 years, to say she wants to be done with it? COME ON!

Even Danny Banadocci isn't getting that kind of media attention these days and people leave him alone, and he was just a drug addict celebrity and caused his own problems.

You probably think NDR's should be outlawed as well right?

cthulhu wrote:

Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:An idea I was kicking around today when I should have been paying attention in English Lit:

What about exile as a punishment? If someone doesn't want to behave themselves in the way society dictates, just kick the bums out? I'm assuming there are problems with that I'm not seeing or else it'd be done.

So australia want's to deport all it's pedophiles, we were thinking america as a great location, are you keen to accept a bunch of convicted rapists?

Oh sure, we can put them next to the other homeless sex offender trailer that the county puts in our town conveniently located near the public library where the children are. I’m sure our current town supervisor would love them. (Fortunately we have an election on Tuesday because our town is so bad I would rather live in a Mad Max movie than in down town.)

tzor wrote: Oh sure, we can put them next to the other homeless sex offender trailer that the county puts in our town conveniently located near the public library where the children are. I’m sure our current town supervisor would love them.

Well, that's just efficient city planning.

Where should the homeless sex offenders live? Why do sex offender and pedophile seem to be interchangeable terms? How many sex offenders are pedophiles?

Interesting discussion about that.

-Username17

Lich-Loved wrote:

Shadzar Redux wrote: I seem to see a high crime rate all the way back in Martian history. Hangings use to be standard for anything from horse theft, to some other things.

Is it possible they are only related in so much that in general Martians are a violent people? So crimes are higher, and the death penalty is ok because people like it?

I just think that Martians are douches that like being violent towards other people. Just watch any of the trailer-trash reality TV. It is all about screwing with other people. Total lack of respect for anyone else, because the only thing that matters is money.

With everyone hellbent on getting more money, then if the legal system doesn't work, people turn to the illegal one to get it.

I bet if quartering people was still used for punishment Martians would watch it. Sensationalism is what most Martians look for, and will find anyway to get it to make them feel better about their own pitiful existences. How else would American Idol have gotten on the air. Like many other similar shows it is just organized and televised humiliation, and the advertisers won't stop paying for it because people won't stop watching it.

To drop the crime rate, the death penalty can stay, just people need to have more respect for others rather than following the Martian trend of being a bigot.

not that Shadzar isn't stupid on days but this is retarded. you replaced a noun with another noun. so let me do that again. Really, also if you look at trailer-trash tv, which i did for a living a while ago, it's mostly white people... now that's bigoted in itself but hitting a market audience of the areas in the south that are poor. you know, I believe in Texas we called them rednecks.

A_Cynic wrote:not that Shadzar isn't stupid on days but this is retarded. you replaced a noun with another noun. so let me do that again. Really, also if you look at trailer-trash tv, which i did for a living a while ago, it's mostly white people... now that's bigoted in itself but hitting a market audience of the areas in the south that are poor. you know, I believe in Texas we called them rednecks.

Thanks, that had to be done. Some things are just beyond stupid.

A_Cynic wrote:

Lich-Loved wrote:I suck donkey dicks.

ME TOO!

Yeah and we care why?

OOOH, funny how a quote works since it doesn't force the actual quote and anybody can change anything in one.

Isn't that what I was complaining about the arguments re: children?

-Crissa

Crissa wrote:Still, polanski raped a girl, and should pay for it. The judge did a political move trying to score points not treating polanski like any other john - but now is a more enlightened time. We actually put out rapists in jail more often.

He needs to actually make restitution to the community, no matter how good of an artist he is. We frown upon raping people, and that's what he should get his new trial about. Once we get to sentencing again we can talk about what other deeds or misdeeds have happened in the mean time.

-Crissa

I concur. He needs to have the hammer dropped on him, and hard. I don't care how talented you are - if you rape children, you need to pay the price.

Well, Ganbare, part of that is the problem.

The judge decided to pull the plug on his deal with the DA because he was a name, using the guilty plea and sentencing him harshly. This is legal, but scummy... So he fled, because he could. And because the judge moved in absentia, that meant his home country wouldn't send him back.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that mitigates anything he did, but it needs to be put in context. We are lucky little harm apparently came from his actions, but that doesn't absolve them from being criminal.

Also, remember his first and foremost crime is rape, not the victim's age.

-Crissa

CatharzGodfoot wrote:

A_Cynic wrote:not that Shadzar isn't stupid on days but this is retarded. you replaced a noun with another noun. so let me do that again. Really, also if you look at trailer-trash tv, which i did for a living a while ago, it's mostly white people... now that's bigoted in itself but hitting a market audience of the areas in the south that are poor. you know, I believe in Texas we called them rednecks.

Thanks, that had to be done. Some things are just beyond stupid.

Just to level-set the facts here:

If you make statements about any race (even white people or Americans) based on stereotypes then you are a bigoted pig. There are plenty enough stupid and ignorant people of any color or nationality that we can go down that road if we want and then we can all fling racial epithets about when referring to anyone that isn't exactly like ourselves. Is it so much to ask to have people here respect white people in the same way we are all supposed to show respect to other races? Really?

LL absolves any country of bad behavior, because to call them on it, you're bigoted!

Great.

-Crissa

Why blame a country when you can blame the specific people responsible?

Jacob_Orlove wrote:Why blame a country when you can blame the specific people responsible?

What specific people are responsible?

Is Al Capone responsible for the teetotalers and the problems inherent in prohibition, or is the country?

-Crissa

"We the people" are the country. You can't blame the dirt and ground for it, so a country is considered to be its people.

Americans isn't a race.

Boolean wrote:Americans isn't a race.

No, but it sure as hell is some kind of competition. Because that is all Americans do it compete with each other for no damn reason....

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